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I have a function as follows:
f = beta^3*((sin(beta*L1)*coth(beta*L1))-cos(beta*L1))-(2*k*sin(beta*L1)) == 0;
L1 and k variables are constants with values.
I want to solve this equation for Beta numerically. But I want first 5 solutions starting from zero and going up.
Basicly first five values of beta that makes this equation zero.
vpasolve only gives 1 solution and if you want more solutions you can only get solutions at random locations.
How may I achieve this ?
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Dyuman Joshi
Dyuman Joshi le 11 Juin 2023
Modifié(e) : Dyuman Joshi le 11 Juin 2023
Please specify the values of L1 and k. The idea will be to use to them to plot the graph of f vs beta and see where it crosses the function crosses the x axis.
The only other typo is that, 1 is missing from the last L in the sin() term.
Nuri Efe TATLI
Nuri Efe TATLI le 11 Juin 2023
k = 1.3333e+06
L1 = 0.5

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Dyuman Joshi
Dyuman Joshi le 11 Juin 2023
k = 1.3333e+06;
L1 = 0.5;
f = @(beta) beta.^3.*((sin(beta*L1).*coth(beta*L1))-cos(beta*L1))-(2*k*sin(beta*L1));
%plotting the function
fplot(f,[0 50])
hold on
%x-axis
yline(0)
xticks(0:5:50)
%Initial value guess
val=[6 12 18 24 30];
for k = 1:numel(val)
%specify a value to fzero to find a solution close to that value
out(k) = fzero(f,val(k));
end
out
out = 1×5
6.2830 12.5649 18.8445 25.1208 31.3925

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John D'Errico
John D'Errico le 11 Juin 2023
Too late, since you have an answer that solves your problem to your satisfaction. I want to point out something you probably need to know though.
Finding the first n solutions using a numerical solver is actually an impossible task to solve. This is because you cannot insure that you have found all solutions over some interval. You may lose solutions, and that means you got close to the first n solutions, but you missed a few in there. And sometimes, a numerical solver can find solutions that are not in fact solutions. The problem is fraught with issues that touch on the weak points of numercal solvers, and if you throw a difficult problem at them, well, OOPS!
Ugh. Why am I saying this? First, how does a tool like fzero work? I'll suggest fzero is your best choice for a 1-d numerical rootfinder, since it is more robust than a tool like fsolve. Fzero prefers a bracket, where the function is known to cross zero. So it wants an interval [a,b], such that f(a) and f(b) have different signs. (Or f(x) could be exactly zero at one of the endpoints. That is ok too.) If you don't give fzero a bracket, but only ONE point (a), then fzero will search for a second point where f(x) has a different sign than f(a). And then once it has a bracket, it is happy again.
But once fzero has a bracket, then it uses a hybrid set of methods that insure efficient convergence on good problems, but also insure the convergence cannot go too slowly on some classically known bad problems that can arise. We don't need to worry about those tweaks, but only accept that a tool like fsolve does not use them, and so can have issues of its own. (A good course on numerical analysis would be nice here, but I won't be spending the time to teach it. Sorry.)
Let me suggest a simple problem to solve, then I'll modify it in just a tiny way. Find the root of the function
f1 = @(x) 1 - 0.01*x;
Yes, I know the root lies at x==100. But the computer does not. Numerical tools do NOT actually look at the function itself, but only as if the function is a black box they cannot look inside. So they send in x values, and then look at what comes out of the magical black box.
opts = optimset('fzero');
opts.Display = 'iter';
x0 = 1;
[x,fval,exitflag] = fzero(f1,x0,opts)
Search for an interval around 1 containing a sign change: Func-count a f(a) b f(b) Procedure 1 1 0.99 1 0.99 initial interval 3 0.971716 0.990283 1.02828 0.989717 search 5 0.96 0.9904 1.04 0.9896 search 7 0.943431 0.990566 1.05657 0.989434 search 9 0.92 0.9908 1.08 0.9892 search 11 0.886863 0.991131 1.11314 0.988869 search 13 0.84 0.9916 1.16 0.9884 search 15 0.773726 0.992263 1.22627 0.987737 search 17 0.68 0.9932 1.32 0.9868 search 19 0.547452 0.994525 1.45255 0.985475 search 21 0.36 0.9964 1.64 0.9836 search 23 0.0949033 0.999051 1.9051 0.980949 search 25 -0.28 1.0028 2.28 0.9772 search 27 -0.810193 1.0081 2.81019 0.971898 search 29 -1.56 1.0156 3.56 0.9644 search 31 -2.62039 1.0262 4.62039 0.953796 search 33 -4.12 1.0412 6.12 0.9388 search 35 -6.24077 1.06241 8.24077 0.917592 search 37 -9.24 1.0924 11.24 0.8876 search 39 -13.4815 1.13482 15.4815 0.845185 search 41 -19.48 1.1948 21.48 0.7852 search 43 -27.9631 1.27963 29.9631 0.700369 search 45 -39.96 1.3996 41.96 0.5804 search 47 -56.9262 1.56926 58.9262 0.410738 search 49 -80.92 1.8092 82.92 0.1708 search 51 -114.852 2.14852 116.852 -0.168524 search Search for a zero in the interval [-114.852, 116.852]: Func-count x f(x) Procedure 51 116.852 -0.168524 initial 52 100 0 interpolation Zero found in the interval [-114.852, 116.852]
x = 100
fval = 0
exitflag = 1
So fzero does eventialluy look out as far as x==100. once it gets there, it zooms right in on the solution.
But if we give fzero a bracket, then it is supremely happy, even if the bracket is very wide.
x0 = [0,1000];
[x,fval,exitflag] = fzero(f1,x0,opts)
Func-count x f(x) Procedure 2 0 1 initial 3 100 1.11022e-16 interpolation 4 100 1.11022e-16 interpolation Zero found in the interval [0, 1000]
x = 100.0000
fval = 1.1102e-16
exitflag = 1
But now, suppose we give fzero a slightly different function?
f2 = @(x) 1 - 0.01*x - exp(-100*(x - 23).^2);
f1 and f2 are virtually identical everywhere, except for a tiny blip, that occurs only around x==23.
fplot(f1,[10,40])
hold on
fplot(f2,[10,40])
hold off
So f2 actually has a zero crossing, TWO of tem, in fact, very close to x==23. And everywhere ealse, f1 and f2 are pretty much identical. I could have made the blip an even sharper one too. Visualize an approximate Dirac delta function.
The problem is, no numerical tool can find that pair of roots, especially if I make the blip a very sharp one. If I give fzero the function f2, it will still find only the root at x==100.
x0 = 1;
[x,fval,exitflag] = fzero(f2,x0,opts)
Search for an interval around 1 containing a sign change: Func-count a f(a) b f(b) Procedure 1 1 0.99 1 0.99 initial interval 3 0.971716 0.990283 1.02828 0.989717 search 5 0.96 0.9904 1.04 0.9896 search 7 0.943431 0.990566 1.05657 0.989434 search 9 0.92 0.9908 1.08 0.9892 search 11 0.886863 0.991131 1.11314 0.988869 search 13 0.84 0.9916 1.16 0.9884 search 15 0.773726 0.992263 1.22627 0.987737 search 17 0.68 0.9932 1.32 0.9868 search 19 0.547452 0.994525 1.45255 0.985475 search 21 0.36 0.9964 1.64 0.9836 search 23 0.0949033 0.999051 1.9051 0.980949 search 25 -0.28 1.0028 2.28 0.9772 search 27 -0.810193 1.0081 2.81019 0.971898 search 29 -1.56 1.0156 3.56 0.9644 search 31 -2.62039 1.0262 4.62039 0.953796 search 33 -4.12 1.0412 6.12 0.9388 search 35 -6.24077 1.06241 8.24077 0.917592 search 37 -9.24 1.0924 11.24 0.8876 search 39 -13.4815 1.13482 15.4815 0.845185 search 41 -19.48 1.1948 21.48 0.7852 search 43 -27.9631 1.27963 29.9631 0.700369 search 45 -39.96 1.3996 41.96 0.5804 search 47 -56.9262 1.56926 58.9262 0.410738 search 49 -80.92 1.8092 82.92 0.1708 search 51 -114.852 2.14852 116.852 -0.168524 search Search for a zero in the interval [-114.852, 116.852]: Func-count x f(x) Procedure 51 116.852 -0.168524 initial 52 100 0 interpolation Zero found in the interval [-114.852, 116.852]
x = 100
fval = 0
exitflag = 1
In fact, it evaluated the function at x=21.48 and at x=29.9631. It completely missed the pair of roots near x=23.
And, fzero can also be tricked, if you give it a function with a zero crossing that is not actually a root.
x0 = [1,2];
f3 = @tan;
[x,fval,exitflag] = fzero(f3,x0,opts)
Func-count x f(x) Procedure 2 1 1.55741 initial 3 2 -2.18504 interpolation 4 1.85165 -3.46644 interpolation 5 1.41615 6.4146 bisection 6 1.47895 10.8572 interpolation 7 1.6339 -15.8261 bisection 8 1.61954 -20.4982 interpolation 9 1.58798 -58.1765 bisection 10 1.55642 69.5775 bisection 11 1.55783 77.1347 interpolation 12 1.56502 173.074 bisection 13 1.56861 457.679 bisection 14 1.5722 -710.251 bisection 15 1.57182 -980.91 interpolation 16 1.57041 2574.06 bisection 17 1.57111 -3169.73 interpolation 18 1.57104 -4124.11 interpolation 19 1.57088 -11801.6 bisection 20 1.57072 13697.2 bisection 21 1.57073 14893.3 interpolation 22 1.57077 32636.8 bisection 23 1.57078 80720.7 bisection 24 1.5708 -170547 bisection 25 1.57079 306518 interpolation 26 1.5708 -384460 interpolation 27 1.5708 -515558 interpolation 28 1.5708 1.51194e+06 bisection 29 1.5708 -1.56465e+06 interpolation 30 1.5708 -1.62117e+06 interpolation 31 1.5708 -3.36385e+06 bisection 32 1.5708 -7.27282e+06 bisection 33 1.5708 -1.73587e+07 bisection 34 1.5708 4.48791e+07 bisection 35 1.5708 -5.66155e+07 interpolation 36 1.5708 -7.66641e+07 interpolation 37 1.5708 2.16494e+08 bisection 38 1.5708 -2.37393e+08 interpolation 39 1.5708 -2.62758e+08 interpolation 40 1.5708 -5.88385e+08 bisection 41 1.5708 -1.54689e+09 bisection 42 1.5708 2.45914e+09 bisection 43 1.5708 3.48749e+09 interpolation 44 1.5708 -8.33979e+09 bisection 45 1.5708 1.19881e+10 interpolation 46 1.5708 2.13107e+10 interpolation 47 1.5708 -2.74039e+10 bisection 48 1.5708 -3.1975e+10 interpolation 49 1.5708 -7.67527e+10 bisection 50 1.5708 1.91689e+11 bisection 51 1.5708 -2.56007e+11 interpolation 52 1.5708 -3.85261e+11 interpolation 53 1.5708 7.63028e+11 bisection 54 1.5708 1.49707e+12 interpolation 55 1.5708 -1.55633e+12 bisection 56 1.5708 -1.58761e+12 interpolation 57 1.5708 -3.24064e+12 bisection 58 1.5708 -6.76496e+12 bisection 59 1.5708 -1.48279e+13 bisection 60 1.5708 -3.64003e+13 bisection 61 1.5708 7.86301e+13 bisection 62 1.5708 -1.33542e+14 interpolation 63 1.5708 1.93489e+14 interpolation 64 1.5708 3.66869e+14 interpolation 65 1.5708 -4.19946e+14 bisection 66 1.5708 -5.83048e+14 interpolation 67 1.5708 -1.20927e+15 bisection Current point x may be near a singular point. The interval [1, 2] reduced to the requested tolerance and the function changes sign in the interval, but f(x) increased in magnitude as the interval reduced.
x = 1.5708
fval = -1.2093e+15
exitflag = -5
So fzero finds a root at pi/2, but then it returns an exitfkag of -5, to say that it thinks this is not actlually a root. An exitflag of -5 means it thinks this is a point of singularity, but not a root.
help fzero
FZERO Single-variable nonlinear zero finding. X = FZERO(FUN,X0) tries to find a zero of the function FUN near X0, if X0 is a scalar. It first finds an interval containing X0 where the function values of the interval endpoints differ in sign, then searches that interval for a zero. FUN is a function handle. FUN accepts real scalar input X and returns a real scalar function value F, evaluated at X. The value X returned by FZERO is near a point where FUN changes sign (if FUN is continuous), or NaN if the search fails. X = FZERO(FUN,X0), where X0 is a vector of length 2, assumes X0 is a finite interval where the sign of FUN(X0(1)) differs from the sign of FUN(X0(2)). An error occurs if this is not true. Calling FZERO with a finite interval guarantees FZERO will return a value near a point where FUN changes sign. X = FZERO(FUN,X0), where X0 is a scalar value, uses X0 as a starting guess. FZERO looks for an interval containing a sign change for FUN and containing X0. If no such interval is found, NaN is returned. In this case, the search terminates when the search interval is expanded until an Inf, NaN, or complex value is found. Note: if the option FunValCheck is 'on', then an error will occur if an NaN or complex value is found. X = FZERO(FUN,X0,OPTIONS) solves the equation with the default optimization parameters replaced by values in the structure OPTIONS, an argument created with the OPTIMSET function. See OPTIMSET for details. Used options are Display, TolX, FunValCheck, OutputFcn, and PlotFcns. X = FZERO(PROBLEM) finds the zero of a function defined in PROBLEM. PROBLEM is a structure with the function FUN in PROBLEM.objective, the start point in PROBLEM.x0, the options structure in PROBLEM.options, and solver name 'fzero' in PROBLEM.solver. [X,FVAL]= FZERO(FUN,...) returns the value of the function described in FUN, at X. [X,FVAL,EXITFLAG] = FZERO(...) returns an EXITFLAG that describes the exit condition. Possible values of EXITFLAG and the corresponding exit conditions are 1 FZERO found a zero X. -1 Algorithm terminated by output function. -3 NaN or Inf function value encountered during search for an interval containing a sign change. -4 Complex function value encountered during search for an interval containing a sign change. -5 FZERO may have converged to a singular point. -6 FZERO can not detect a change in sign of the function. [X,FVAL,EXITFLAG,OUTPUT] = FZERO(...) returns a structure OUTPUT with the number of function evaluations in OUTPUT.funcCount, the algorithm name in OUTPUT.algorithm, the number of iterations to find an interval (if needed) in OUTPUT.intervaliterations, the number of zero-finding iterations in OUTPUT.iterations, and the exit message in OUTPUT.message. Examples FUN can be specified using @: X = fzero(@sin,3) returns pi. X = fzero(@sin,3,optimset('Display','iter')) returns pi, uses the default tolerance and displays iteration information. FUN can be an anonymous function: X = fzero(@(x) sin(3*x),2) FUN can be a parameterized function. Use an anonymous function to capture the problem-dependent parameters: myfun = @(x,c) cos(c*x); % The parameterized function. c = 2; % The parameter. X = fzero(@(x) myfun(x,c),0.1) Limitations X = fzero(@(x) abs(x)+1, 1) returns NaN since this function does not change sign anywhere on the real axis (and does not have a zero as well). X = fzero(@tan,2) returns X near 1.5708 because the discontinuity of this function near the point X gives the appearance (numerically) that the function changes sign at X. See also ROOTS, FMINBND, FUNCTION_HANDLE. Documentation for fzero doc fzero Other uses of fzero optim/fzero
These are general problems of such a tool. We can always trick a solver, as long as we understand how the tool works. So insuring you have found the first n roots, this is actually an impossible task, as I said before.
It gets worse of course. Consider the function f4.
f4 = @(x) sin(1./x);
fplot(f4,[0,3])
For the function f3(x), there are infinitely many roots in the interval [0,b], for ANY positive value of b, no matter how small you make b. So again, finding the first n positive roots of f3 is a mathematical impossibility.
There are things you can do to try to make the problem semi-tractable. I posted a function called allcrossings on the file exchange some time ago, but allcrossings is not perfect. allcrossings uses a scheme where it evaluates the function at many points on an interval, looking for any sign change. Then on any sub-interval, it calls fzero, because it has a bracket that should contain a root. But allcrossings does not find the first n roots. It tries to find ALL roots, within limits on its abilities.
The point is? Finding the first n roots is a difficult problem for a numerical solver, not one for which there will ever be an easy solution.

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